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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes 1991MINUTES LIQUOR CONTROL REVIEW BOARD , January 8, 1991 Present: Joan W. Barr, Mayor and Liquor Commissioner Jean Alexander, Board Member Julian Coleman, Board Member Donald Heyrman, Board Member Others Present: Eugene Timothy Gorham and Mrs. Barbara Gorham, Va Pensiero Restaurant James M. shepherd, Va Pensiero Restaurant Andrew Reis, Cafe Provencal Commander John Schroeder, Evanston Police Deputy Chief Frank Kaminski, Evanston police Robert A. Shonk, Finance Director Absent: Hone Place: Mayors office, Evanston Civic Center Tuesday, January 8, 1990 at 7:30 P.M. Members of the Liquor Control Review Board began the meeting at 7:30 P.M. and considered the following agenda item: AGENDA - Consideration of application to amend the existing Evanston Code to permit the issuance of a Class C Liquor License to Margarita Club Ltd., Va Pensiero Restaurant, 1566 Oak Avenue. Meeting with bndrev Reis, owner of Cafe Provencal, 1625 Hinman Avenue, Margarita Club, Ltd,, Va Pensiero Restaurant - Class C licuor license aDDlicant Eugene Timothy Gorham, owner of Va Pensiero Restaurant, his wife Barbara, and James M. Shepherd, manager, were present and responded to questions and comments by the Board members. Mayor Barr explained the problems created by delay in the fingerprinting process by the State and FBI and also advised the Board that Mr. Gorham wished to purchase the Va Pensiero Restaurant. She stated that if Mr. Gorham's application was approved by the Liquor Board, an ordinance would be presented to the City Council for Introduction on January 14, 1991 and Adoption would be on January 28, 1991. Mr. Gorham expressed concern that the present license held by WRX, Inc. will expire on January 23rd. Mayor Barr stated that WRKIS license can be renewed and the fee can be pro -rated. Mayor Barr than reviewed the requirements of the City#a liquor license law with Mr. Gorham and Mr. Shepherd and stated that they must strictly adhere to the liquor ordinance. she cautioned them that alcoholic beverages should not be served to persons under twenty-one even when accompanied by parents. She advised them that they Would be periodic inspections of their establishment, and any violators of thin law will be punished. The applicant agreed to strictly enforce the liquor code. Mr. Gorham stated that he was trying to bring excellence to his restaurant. Business has increased 50% and they are now breaking even. After further review, the Commissioners voted to recommend to the City Council that a Class C license be issued to Margarita Club, Ltd, va Pensiero Restaurant. Andrew Reis. owner of Cafe provencqj, - Concerts w�t?i nalicd investigations, Andrew Reis, Deputy Police Chief prank Kaminski, and Police Commander John Schroeder were present to discuss Mr. Reis, concerns over police visits to his restaurant. Mr. Reis stated that the police visited his restaurant when it was very busy and checked on his liquor license. His staff told him that the police will be inspecting the restaurant again on another day. The Police arived again at 9:00 P.K. The noise of their walkie talkies disturbed the patrons in the dining room. Mayor Barr stated that Chief Jacobi stated that routine police investigations were quarterly checks. Deputy Chief Kaminski advised that he does monthly checks on all licensees. He passed out an inspection form that the Police Department use and stated that for the past 2 years they have been performing monthly checks. Mayor Barr inquired of Deputy Chief Kaminski whether he found any problems recently in the various monthly inspections. Deputy Chief Kaminski stated that there have been some minor problems such as licenses not posted, but service of minors is always checked. His detectives always try to use discretion in inspecting restaurants. Inspections are randomly performed and his officers are properly dressed in sports jackets and ties, but they do carry radios. Mr. Reis said that the officer inspecting his restaurant was not dressed properly, was wearing a ski jacket, and did not check items on the inspection form. 41 Mayor Barr asked whether officers performing evening inspections at d to 12 P.H. at Cafe Provencal or va Pensisro could turn walkie takies off. Mr. Reis added that visits are nuisance visits and that officers are not properly dressed. Deputy Chief Kaminski stated that he feels officers should use their judgement with regard to walkie talkie use. F Mr. Heyrman suggested that it officers are operating in pairs during inspections, they have the inspecting officer turn his radio off. He feels monthly checks are appropriate but officers should be alerted not to be obtrusive. He felt that license checks are important. Kr. Coleman asked Deputy Chief Kaminski if he checked all 44 licenses monthly. Deputy Chief Kaminski responded that he assigns detectives to check all licensees each month. Mr. Heyrman asked if inspections are more effective when done at peak times when customers were there. He stated that the goal should be that inspectors proceed without being noticed by customers. Mayor Barr added that the biggest problem may be walkie talkies. Mr. Heyrman stated that the officer s attire ought to be appropriate to the particular establishment and that the officer's valkis talkies ought to be hidden or controlled. Deputy Chief Kaminski agreed to reinforce the concerns mentioned in this meeting with his investigating officers and they would try to use more discretion at Cafe Provencal. He felt that his investigators are doing a good job but he will go back and reinforce these concerns. Mayor Barr added that she is extremely anxious to enforce liquor laws. She does not want to make it difficult for restaurants to do business in Evanston and hopes to treat all types of restaurants equally. The Board members then voted unanimously to adjourn at 8:30 P.H. Finance Director, City of Evanston Secretary, Liquor Control Review Board Date of Inspection Time of Inspection Name of Establishment Address Officer Assigned 1. Service of liquor to persons underage, intoxicated persons, habitual dr+inkards, or mental incompetents. City Code 4-511 Ch-,pter 43 Sec. 131, 134 a or 183. 2. Sales on credit. City Code 4-601 Chapter 43 Sec. 134 3. Service of liquor by holders of class C or b licenses to persons who have no intentions consuming a meal on the premise. City Code 4-512. 4. Sales over a bar in establishments which have a Class C o: D License. City Code 4-402 (3). 5. Sale to a customer in a Class A establishment who is not a member or guest of a member. City Code 4-402(1) 6. Required licenses and warnings not prominently posted. City Code 4-511 (4) Chapter 43 Section 139. 7. Liquor taken off premises. City Code 4-402. 8. Persons under 18 mixing, serving or pouring liquor behind a bar. Rule 2 Illinois Liquor Commission. 9. Solicitation of drinks by females. Chapter 38 Sec. 26-1-2. 10. Closing hour violations. City Code 4-509. !I. No violations observed. 12. Other violations. State: 13. Name of Manager/ Employee of ?nspection. Officer Supervisor t- MINUTES LIQUOR CONTROL REVIEW BOARD February 19, 1991 Present: Joan W. Barr, mayor and liquor Commissioner Jean Alexander, Board member Julian Coleman, Board Member Others Present: Harty Norkett, Developer, Orphans of Evanston, Inc. David Lipschults, Blind Faith Cafe 5 citiseas who reside in the area of the Blind Faith Cafe Robert A. 8honk, Finance Director Absent: Donald Heyrman, Board Member Place: Mayoros Office, Evanston Civic Center Tuesday, February 19, 1991 at 2:00 P.H. Members of the Liquor Control Review Board began the meeting at 2:00 P.M. and considered the following agenda item: AGENDA Review of City of Evanston liquor license regulations with David Lipschultz of Blind Faith Cafe. Blind Faith Cafe -- Discussion concerning liquor licensing Mr. David Lipschultz, owner of the Blind Faith Cafe, stated that his restaurant serves natural foods along with their own bakery goods. He began his bossiness in 1979 and has been at the present location, 800 Dempster Street, since 1985. Mr. Lipschultz feels that neighbors, not the city, previously opposed his obtaining a liquor license. He cited that New Japan Oriental Cafe around the corner has a liquor license and is only open until 10:00 P.M. H1:. Lipschultz stated that he would be willing to limit his hours when beer/vine is sold. Mr. Lipschultz, who is President of the Chicago/Dempster Merchants Association, stated he was present to answer questions from the five neighbors attending this meeting. Mayor Barr defined Class D licenses and stated that no hard liquor can be sold. Boer and Urine can only be served with a full meal. She stated that the mayor recommends a license with the advice of aw the Advisory Board after receiving a thorough Police Report. The Mayor then recommends to the City Council that an ordinance be amended in order to issue a liquor license. A neighbor, Madeline Bennett, asked what new evidence is available now that would allow Blind Faiths license to be considered again. Mr. Lipschultz responded that neighbors should have con2lidence in him since they have seen him operate for 5 years. ,A Ms. Bennett commented that a restaurant brings too much traffic and greatly affects a residential area, and residents can't park in front of their homes. She also opposes this because of illegal parking that occurs and because of delivery trucks that block the alley. Since there is no parking in front of homes, it is especially dangerous for children Who have to use the alley. She felt that a liquor license would bring more people to the neighborhood and cited noises in the morning from dumpsters. Mr. Lipschultz replied that he has been operating at capacity for many months and felt that having a liquor license would not bring his establishment more customers. He stated that the Dempster/Chicago area has undergone a renaissance Marty Norkett stated that he lives near Becky's alley. He feels that even though there is heavy traffic at Hecky's, businesses help the tax base. He advised the group to look at economics. He dislikes large delivery trucks but feels this is necessary for the economy. Another neighbor stated that he felt the business community was rather self --serving by putting meters in front of his house, but he still can't get out of his alley due to Blind Faith customers parking there. A third neighbor, Bonnie Wilson, who lives across the street from Blind Faith, feels that liquor will cause more noise - laughing and giggling. she stated she can't park in front of her house now. Madeline Bennett observed that people who come to a neighborhood that is not their own do not care much about the neighborhood. Madeline has told them they were parking illegally, advised them not to do it again, and was given verbal abuse. Mr. Coleman asked Mr. Lipschultz how many tables he had and how many people can be seated. Mr_ Lipschultz replied that Blind Faith has 30 tables with a Fire Department maximum seating capacity of 120 people. Ms. Bennett stated that the east side of the 1300 block is 78% residential; the east side of Chicago Avenue was zoned R3 and R7. This cumulative effect has brought more parking demand and problems. Mayor Barr stated that she never viLnts to foist liquor on a neighborhood that doesn't want it. She cited that Pizza Hut was denied a liquor license. Her first feeling is that she doesn't see that liquor would impact on parking problems yet doesn't want to grant it in a neighborhood that doesn't want it. Mr. Lipschultz said the issue is not the liquor license but neighbors saying they have problems from parking and noise. dig Y. , ` Ms. Bennett said that some neighbors are opposed to Blind Faith having a liquor license because it is too near their homes. Mayor Barr was given a petition signed by 15 neighbors who opposed Blind Faith Cafe obtaining a liquor license. She said she will carefully consider this raquest but was not inclined to go forward because of opposition by the neighborhood. Hr. Lipschultz agreed to abide by any decision that is made. Ornbans of Evanston .,- Class B liquor license aanlicant Mr. Marty Norkett, developer, advised that their building is vacant and that he lost $500,000 in cash. His real estate taxes are billed at $3.50 a square foot; he rents space at $10 a square foot plus $3.5o tax. He recently filed a lawsuit against one of his business renters for for $21,000 back rent. Mr. Norkett stated that Orphans is an entertainment bar which schedules two shows a night. They are asking for a class B liquor license. Hycel Taylor of the Second Baptist Church is opposed to another license being issued and there may be opposition from the Minister at Saint James Armenian Church. Mayor Barr scheduled a hearing on orphans for Thursday, February 28, 1991 at 7:30 P.M. The Board members then voted unanimously to adjourn at 3:00 P.M. ' r Finance Director, City of Evanston secretary, Liquor Control Review Board F 1 —.. � �'J ��.' ..._._;� ,� _, �.. .• 1 tom. — _.... 1....--—- — le i =1 AtiN °pPo5eo To e 'm ythl4�ri v a Lrouar Licehs: :r N M A DD2ES.s 6�a� ?.A/ VIP 41 -Vc z. -d 13X3 ale&6117 falal-7 4.� -3 �k n 1,� Q Ppt a'- 6:rrb eH--- 1-2 ► n r�l a n r I f�f,23J,� u'7 - $76C �':? y F7 r - f i LIQUOR CONTROL REVIEW BOARD March 4, 1991 Present: Joan W. Barr, mayor and Liquor Commissioner Jean Alexander, Board Member Julian Coleman, Board Member Donald Heyrman, Board Member Others Present: Marty Norkett, owner of the Joinery Jeffrey J. Kent, orphans of Evanston, Inc. James Murray, attorney for Orphans of Evanston, Inc. David Seidman, 'President of Northlight Theatre Jeffrey Woodward, Executive Director, Northlight Theatre Robe3rt A. 8honk, Finance Director Absent: None Place: Mayor's Office, Evanston Civic Center Monday, March 5, 1991 at 7:30 P.H. Members of the Liquor Control Review Board began the meeting at 7:30 P.M. and considered the following agenda item: AGENDA Consideration of application to amend the existing Evanston Code to permit the issuance of a Class B Liquor License to Orphans of Evanston, Inc., 818-022 Clark Street. Consideration of application to amend the existing Evanston Code to permit the issuance of a Class L Liquor License to Northlight Theatre, 817 Chicago Avenue. Mayor Barr introduced the Liquor Control Board members and explained their roles. She stated that the Mayor can grant liquor licenses which have been approved by the Liquor Board. There is a limit on the number of authorized licenses allowed. Ornhans of Evanston, Inc. - Class B Liquor License Applicant Mr. James Murray introduced Jeffrey Kent and Marty Norkett, who is the owner of the building in which Orphans is to be housed. Mr. Kent has had this type of business in Chicago for eight years. Orphans provides various types of musical entertainment such as jazz, folk, etc. He feels that operations will not conflict with religious institutions since the entertainment part of his business will not start until the evening after churches close. There is a full range of food that will be made available to his patrons at all times. Mayor Barr stated that she was interested in the business success of this property and all properties in the downtown area. She feels very strongly about non -service of liquor to minors. Restaurants are periodically inspected and violations are cited. Ministers from both churches in the area have been contacted. Dr. Hycel Taylor, Second Baptist Church, was extremely concerned about another liquor license being added. Approval of orphansf license would be the fifth liquor license issued in the immediate area although it would be the only B license in the Joinery Development. Reverand Varoujian Sabaradjian, Paster of St. James Armenian Church, has previously expressed his concerns to the Mayor since this establishment is very near St. James Church. Mr. Kent said that Orphans will not be open an Sundays and that he would be willing to open later in the evening and make concessions on hours with St. James Church. Mr. Murray replied that Mr. Cent is very sensitive to the concerns of churches nearby. Mr. Rent wishes to open his business here because of the large space that was found available in this new development. Mr. Rent stated that he does not want minors drinking or even entering his business. There will be a doorman to check identification. Mr. Heyrman asked Mr. Kent why he had applied for a Class B license, and Mr. Sent responded that his biggest attraction is entertainment. He doesn't think he can attract customers by offering meals first as an inducement to stay For the entertainment. Entertainment will start about 9:00 P.M. There will be an eclectic variety of music, with a cover charge of $3 or $4 during the week. Mr. Coleman asked if the music was to be located in a different section of the business, and Mr. Kent stated that it probably will be in one main section with a stage. Mr. Heyrman inquired about the menu, and the Board then reviewed the proposed menu. Mr. Kent added that they intend to be open during dinner hour also, and the entire menu will be available until closing. Mr. Kent also intends to advertise. A citizen that was present at the meeting inquired about the proposed hours of operation. Hr. Kent replied that he will be open from 4:00 P.M. to 2:00 A.M. on Saturday nights and 4:00 P.M. to 1:00 A.M. on other evenings. Orphans ►rill not be open for lunch. There will be two to three entertainment sets depending on who will be entertaining. Mayor Harr asked if there was a State law regarding churches near a business establishment that would create a problem in this instance. Mr. Shonk responded that he believes home rule powers allow businesses to operate near a church. iiu. h A A Citizen asked who is applying for Orphans' license. Mayor Barr responded that they are applying as a corporation and Hr. and Mrs. scent are owners of this corporation. Northlight Theatre - Class L Lice or License Applicant Mr. David Seidman, President of Northlight Theatre, expressed his appreciation to Mayor Barr on getting a new Class L license classification adopted. Their intention is to serve beer and Wine. Refreshments will only be served to patrons one-half hour before curtain time and at intermission. Nothing will be sold after the performance. space has boon set up to implement sales to patrons only at specified times. MrHeyrman how service to minors will be monitored. Mr. Seidman responded that they will have limited exposure to minors since very few minors attend their performances; however, they will make certain that no minors will be served alcoholic beverages. They have arranged for an outside manager of the concession stand who is experienced in enforcing liquor laws. Mr. Heyrman asked them if they plan to serve food. Mr. Seidman stated that only light snacks will be served and that beer and wine will only be served in glassos. The Board members than began a discussion and review of the two applications presented this evening. After further review, all three Commissioners voted to recommend to the City council that a Class L liquor license be issued to Northlight Theatre. The three Commissioners stated they would like to see Orphan's of Evanston, Inc. approved. mayor Barr said she was inclined to recommend issuance of the license to Orphans but expects some further concern might ba expressed by Dr. Hycel Taylor of the Second Baptist Church. He seems to feel that nearby restaurants that have liquor licenses give a bad example for young people and his parishioners. _ Mr. Heyrman felt that the Armenian Church has a more valid concern since they would be next door to Orphans while the Second Baptist Church is much further removed from Orphans. Mayor Barr added a provision that the Board will encourage churches to call Mr. Kent and Mayor Barr with any complaints they may have regarding Orphans. Mr. Kent will be advised that the Board and the Mayor will review his operations after six months and then again after one year to ascertain that he is operating in harmony with Saint James Armenian Church and the second Baptist Church. 3 Diacuaaion,,,ot Yesterdays rest uran ownetshiv problem The Mayor nest described a current problem that tho city is experiencing with Yesterday-ra Restaurant, a Class C licenses. Mr. Steve Weil, the owner, is in the process of selling the business to his present manager, Mr. Albert Rompza. The license expired on February 26, 1991 and Mr. Weil has applied for a renewal license pending qualification of Mr. Rompza for a new liquor license. Mr. Weil is selling his restaurant to Albert, Inc. (Albert Rompza) who submitted his application to us on December 5, 1990. The FBI is still conducting their investigation of Mr. Rompza. Mr. Weil called Mayor Barr from Florida and stated that he was anxious to make this sale and get his money out of this business. We received the police report on the renewal application of yr. Weil. It indicated that a parent complained his 14 year old child was served liquor at Yesterdays. A police investigation recovered no evidence to substantiate this claim. Further, on March { there was a police report that on two occasions liquor was served without food to customers. Herb Hill, First Assistant Corporation Counsel, will be consulted regarding this problem on March 5. Mayor Barr has serious reservations about granting Mr. Rompza a liquor license since there are now three possible violations cited. Mayor Barr questioned the legality of this issue and stated that Herb Hill will have to be consulted to determine if Mr. Rompza has to be found guilty of these violations. No action will be taken until the Mayor meets with Mr. Hill. Mr. Heyrman stated that a meeting should be scheduled with Mr. Rompza to inform him of the Boardos concerns. Jean Alexander suggested suspending Yesterdayes liquor license pending a decision. Mayor Barr questioned the renewal of Steven Weirs license and if the Board can refuse to issue a license to Mr. Rompza. She stated that she wanted to know her options before meeting with Mr. Rompza, and will discuss these options with City Attorney Hill. The Board members then voted unanimously to adjourn at 9:00 P.M. Finance Director, City of Evanston Secretary, Liquor Control Review Hoard ' KINUTS8 ' LIQUOR CONTROL REVIEW BOARD June 4, 1991 Present: Joan W. Barr, mayor and Liquor Commissioner Jean Alexander, Board member Julian Coleman, Board member Donald Heyrman, Board member Others Present: Niko and Maria ]Karvunitis,, Fonda & Niko, Inc. DBA Kaffeehaus 1800 Patrick OrNeil, Pasta Perfection, Inc. DBA Dancing Noodle Cafe Albert and Jean Rompaa, Albert, Inc. DBA Yesterdays Robert A. Shonk, Finance Director Absent: None Place: Mayors Office, Evanston Civic Center Monday, June 4, 1991 at 7:30 P.M. Members of the Liquor Control Review Board began the meeting at 7:30 P.K. and considered the following agenda item: AGENP Consideration of application to amend the existing Evanston Code to permit the issuance of a Class B Liquor Licenaa to Albert, Inc. DBA Yesterday►s, 1850 Sherman Avenue. Consideration of application to amend the existing Evanston Code to permit the issuanco of a Class D Liquor License to Pasta Perfection, Inc. DBA Dancing Noodle Cafe, 81: Chicago Avenue. Consideration of application to amend the existing Evanston Code to permit the issuance of a Class B Liquor License to Fonda 8 Niko Inc. DBA Kaffeehaus 1800, 1800 Sherman Avenue. Niko apd Fonda. Inc. DBA Kaffeehaus 1800 - Class B Licruor License Applicant Maria Karvunitis and Niko Karvunitis, owners, were present and responded to questions by Board members. Mrs. Karvunitis explained the proposed restaurant layout to Mayor Barr. Bhe stated they planned to install a small piano bar in the 600 feet of vacant space that was never before utilized. They intend to extend their hours from 9:00 to 11:00 P.K. on weekdays and to 12:00 or 1:00 A.K. on weekends and will serve mixed drinks in the restaurant and bar. They also intend to expand their menu. i Mayor Barr stated that she has not had any adverse experiendss with this establishment. Ohn Yarned Mr. and firs. Xarvunitis that they should never serve liquor to minors. After further review, the commissioners voted to recommend to the City Council that a Class B liquor license be issued to Niko and Fonda, Inc. DBA Haffeehaus 1800. Pasta er ection. Tn,92 DpA Rancing Noodle Cafe. 815 Chicago Avenue - Class A Liauor TAicense Aprlicant Mr. Patrick OrNeil, owner of Dancing Noodle Cafe, was present and responded to questions and comments by the Commissioners. Patrick OtHeil advised the Board that he is the owner of Dancing Noodle Cafe in Wilmette and also the business at 815 Chicago Avenue. He franchises the restaurant on Central street. He intends to manage the Chicago Avenue restaurant which is larger than the business on Central street. Xr. OfNeil will serve only beer and wine on Chicago Avenue and has proposed a limited menu consisting of 7 entrees. Mayor Barr stated that food must be served at all times and that there must not be any carry out liquor. She advised Mr. O•Neil that minors should not be served beer or vine and warned him that the Evanston City Code will be strictly enforced. Mr. OFNeil agreed to comply with the rules. Mr. OONeil advised the Liquor Board that it will take another week before construction of his restaurant is completed. He anticipates opening his business in three weeks. After further review, the Commission voted to recommend to the City Council that a Class D liquor license be issued to Pasta Perfection, Inc. DBA Dancing Noodle Cafe. Albert. Inc. DBA Yesterdav,s. 1850 Sherman Avenue - Class C Liauor License ADDlicant Albert and Jean Rompza, owners of Yesterdays were present. Mr. Rompza stated that Yesterday's previous owner moved to Florida and they were given the opportunity of buying this restaurant. He intends to upgrade the quality of food, and has hired a new chef, but there will not be any change in the service bar. Mr. Heyrman stated there were some problems at Yesterdayols when minors were served liquor without food. He attributed these problems to the former owner, Steven Weil, who was operating Yesterdayts Restaurant at the time these incidents occurred. Mayor Barr said she thought Mr. Rompza was the manager. Mr. Rompsa replied that Mr. peills bookkeeper is still managing the restaurant. Mayor Barr said she would need a background check on the person who is to manage this restaurant. She also stated that liquor was previously served without; a meal, which indicates that no one was watching.. operations. Mayor Barr cited a report by the lather of a minor that had been drinking and said that reports of that kind indicate inadequate supervision. Mrs. Rompza said there was no excuse for someone going in and getting only beer. She cited a problem with Mr. Wail as absentee owner during the transition period. Mayor Barr said that a bar at the right of the entrance may give the impression that it is a regular bar. Mr. Rompza stated there is now a big sign at Yesterday -es which says HIt is the law. You must eat to drink in Evanston.00 Both Mayor Barr and Ms. Jean Alexander agreed that liquor operations will be tested. Ms. Alexander asked Mayor Barr if there were any noise problems at this time. Mayor Barr stated that there Were problems with garbage cans, exhaust fans and odors, rodents and vermin. The scavenger dumpster was also left open. Mr. Rompza replied that the back door is locked at e:oo p.M. and the rest of the garbage is left inside until morning and adequately maintained. Mayor Barr suggested that Mr. Rompza write a letter to the Board � Of Sherman Gardens to open communications with them. M.r. Heyrman stated that if there is a change in management, the new manager must be checked out. He requested that the manager fill out the proper forms and be fingerprinted and investigated. Mr. Rompza agreed to abide. He also stated that he will be on the premises at all times. Mayor Barr replied that she will ::ontact him regarding her decision. The Board members then voted unanimously to adjourn at 9:oo p.H. F Finance Director, city of Evanston Secretary, Liquor control Review Board 1 t MINUTES LIQUOR CONTROL REVIEW BOARD July 100 1991 Present: Joan W. Barr, Mayor and Liquor Commissioner's Jean Alexander, Board Member Julian Coleman, Board Member Donald Heyrman, Board Member Others Present: Kathryn Govas, James Govas, . and Theresa Thompson, The Noyes Cafe, Inc. DBA Noyes Street Cafe Robert A. Shonk, Finance Director Absent: None Place: Mayor's Office, Evanston Civic Center Wednesday, July lo, 1991 at 7:30 P.M. Members of the Liquor Control Review Board began the greeting at 7:30 P.M. and considered the following agenda item: )1GENDAN consideration of application to amend the existing Evanston Code to permit the issuance of a Class B Liquor License to The Noyes Cafe, Inc. DBA Noyes street Cafe, 828 Noyes Street. The Noves Cate, Inc. DBA Noves street cafe - Class B Ljauor License a2vlicant Kathryn Govas and James Govas, ownera, were present and responded to questions by Board members. Mayor Barr warned Mr. and lira. Govas that they should never serve liquor to minors and stated she has extremely strong feelings about this. Mr. Govas asked how many identification cards were re iced, Mayor Barr responded that they should receive at lea two identification cards. When a student is involved, a student picture identification card would be preferred. Mayor Barr stated that liquor should only be served to those persons 21 years of age and over. she stated that if someone under 21 is accompanied by a parent, that person still cannot be served liquor. she advised Mr. Govas that vizors should not be served beer or trine and warned him that the Evanston City Code will be strictly enforced. Mr. and Kra. Govas agreed to comply with the rules. 1 i Janes aovas stated that he will be the Chef and Kathryn Oovas Will assist him as the Manager. He stated their restaurant has opened where the Corinthian Columns Restaurant was once located. There will only be a service bar and alcohol will be served on the premises and will not be sold for -carry-out purposes. After further review, the Comuissioners voted to recoziend to the City Council that a Class B liquor license be issued to The Noyes Cate, Inc. DBA Noyes Street Cate. The Board members then voted unanimously to adjourn at Ssoo B.M. W':P'LxOVOg.J_ Finance Direct r, City of Evanston Secretary, Liquor Control Review Board i MINUTES r' LIQUOR CONTROL REVIEW BOARD December 5, 1991 t Present: Joan W. Barr, Mayor and Liquor Commissioner Jean Alexander, Board Member Julian Coleman, Board Member Donald Heyrman, Board Member Others Present: Robert Davis, Kenneth Pospiech, Eric Singer, and Geoffrey Ayoub, Crescent Moon Ino. DBA The Lucky Platter Robert A. Shonk, Finance Director Absent: None Places Mayor's office, Evanston Civic Center Thursday, December 5, 1991 at 7:30 P.M. Members of the Liquor Control Review Hoard began the meeting at 7:30 P.M. and considered the following agenda item: AGENDA Consideration of application to amend the existing Evanston Code to permit the issuance of a Class D Liquor License to Crescent Moon Inc. DBA The Lucky Platter, 514 Main Street. Crescent Moon Inc. DBA The Lucky Platter - Class D Liquor License Avolicant Robert Davis, Kenneth Pospiech, Eric Singer, and Geoffrey Ayoub, owners, were present and responded to questions by Board members. Mayor Barr explained the liquor procedures to the owners. she stated that her biggest concern was the service of liquor to minors and warned that she has extremely strong feelings about this. she advised them that she just suspended Northwestern University Norris Center's liquor license for two Meeks for serving liquor to minors. she also stated that alcohol should be served with a meal and that with a Class D license, a meal Would constitute a hamburger and pie, or two things, but a meal does not mean snacks. Ms. Alexander asked if the menu was going to be the same as the current menu filed with the Board, and the owners said it Was. Mr. Heyrman asked the owners what kind of clientele they expect to cultivate,. The owners stated that theirs was a family style restaurant that would be open for dinner only and there was a mix of age groups in the Southeast Evanston area. Mr. Heyrman stated that liquor should only be served to those persons 21 years of ago and over. He stated that if someone under 21 is accompanied by a parent or family members, that minor still, cannot be served liquor even if his family permits it. The owners stated that they Will comply with this provision of the law. lsr. Coleman asked if there was a bar in the Lucky Platter. The owners responded that there will only be a service bar. The applicants asked why bars were only permitted in the downtown area. The Mayor responded that because downtown is zoned for the highest business use and there was very little residential use, making it different from neighborhoods. The applicants asked if customers can bring their own wine into the restaurant and Mayor Barr replied that they were permitted to do so but the restaurant cannot go out and buy the wine for the customer and bring it in. Mr. Shonk explained liquor taxation to the applicants. After further review, the Commissioners voted to recommend to the City Council that a Class D liquor license be issued to Crescent Moon Inc. DBA The Lucky Platter. Mayor Barr suggested that the applicants attend the December 15th meeting of the Administration & Public Works Committee at which their Ordinance will be introduced. ordinance 122-0-91 Will then be adopted on January 13, 1992. Board Members Reviewed Status of Liquor Licenses as of December 3. 1991. There are three new licenses now pending: Lipschultz Family Investments, Inc. DBA Blind Faith Cafe David Lipschultz, owner 525 Dempster Street Class D Liquor License 1011OZ91 - Application received. C. C. Wils Sports Grill, Inc. DBA C. C. Wils - A Sports Grill William Leslie III and Carol Leslie, owners 1727 Benson Class B Liquor License 1011SZ91 - Application received. Evanston H.I., Inc. DBA Evanston Holiday Inn Su-Mei Yen, owner 1501 Sherman Avenue Class B Liquor License 11/19/91 - Application received. 0 Mayor ALT— s- Joint meatina Idauor Board Comment@ Reaardjacr December 9 . 1991, . 6 s o0 P.Jiz_JL of AdRinistration and ru =ic Works Committee a Target Qreatland wants to sell alcoholic beverages in a food store that will be in the new development at 2201 West Howard Street. There is also the question of limiting sales to the new store or including all large groceries. Mayor Barr noted that neighbors are very opposed to the proposed development and are expected to be out in force Monday night to comment on the situation. Since this development is located in the Sth Ward, Alderman Ann Rainey has arranged for an agenda item to discuss approval of a liquor advisory referendum to be placed on the March 17, 1992 ballot. All three liquor commissioners, Ms. Jean Alexander, Mr. Donald Heyrman, and Mr. Julian Coleman, stated they are now in favor of permitting the sale of warm beer and wine in food stores. other Issues - Liquor Policv and overations Mayor Barr stated that Alderman Newman feels that parental responsibility should be up to age 21 and favors landlords being held responsible for underage drinking. This item is also on the December 9, 1991 Agenda. The Board members then voted unanimously to adjourn at 8:3o p.K. Finance Director, City of Evanston Secretary, Liquor Control Review Board MINUTES OF THE JOINT MEETING OF THE LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD AND THE ADMINISTRATION AND PUBLIC WORKS STANDING COMMITTEE Meeting of December 9, 1991 Members Present: Aldermen Esch, Nelson, Newman, Rainey, Wollin, Commissioner Coleman, Heyrman, Alexander, Mayor Barr Members Absent: Alderman Paden Presiding Officials: Mayor Barr, Alderman Esch staff Present: Anderson, Aiello, Shonk, Hill, Marino Summapv of Action: The Meeting was called to order at 6:00 P.M. Mayor Barr presented the introductory remarks and announced that she serves as liquor commissioner by Illinois State law. She announced that she and Alderman Esch would be co-chairing this meeting. For practical reasons, Mayor Barr stated she would direct the questioning. When it is time to vote for liquor issues by the Liquor Control Board, Mayor Barr will take that vote. If there needs to be a vote of the Administration and Public Works Committee, (A&PW), Alderman Esch will be responsible for taking that vote. The Mayor then introduced the members of the iministration and Public Works Committee and the Liquor Control Board nd noted the agenda items. Mayor Barr stated the first two agenda items will be discussed first. She also advised that the meeting must end at 7:45 P.M. because of another meeting scheduled in the Chambers. If necessary, another joint meeting will be scheduled. She stated this is a public meeting to discuss agenda items, but it is appropriate to accept citizens comments for the first fifteen minutes. They will be called on in the order in which they signed up. Greg Hummel, 203 N. LaSalle Street, Chicago, Illinois, an attorney for Rudnick & Wolfe, representing Target Division of Dayton Hudson and Trident Development, brought forth two issues - unit pricing and liquor licensing. He stated that a liquor license for a Aood/drugstore facility is an absolute condition for going forward with the project. They've had meetings with staff and City elected officials making known that liquor is needed. Jim Sheedy, 2116 Dobson, a member of SWEAR, (Southwest Evanston Area Residents) spoke on their behalf and stated they have many objections. Their most serious concerns are that there is already a neighborhood problem of liquor abuse on Hartrey. Young people have begun drinking in James Park and people drive up Hartrey and drink in their cars. There have been civil disturbances this summer. Alcohol abuse is now a very -erious problem in this site area and he felt we are responsible for alving young people's alcohol problems by making sure they are 21 years E age even though they may have access to places in Chicago. This is .lot just a local problem but liquor sales on the proposed site just compound the problem. Joint Mee;:ing of the Liquor Control. Board and the A&PW Standing Committee Meeting Minutes - December 9, 1991 Page -2- avid Bradford, a member of SWEAR, strongly opposed the development because of liquor sales and the proposed 24 hour operation of a the facility. He just moved here for the quality of life and stated that when you have children you want them to grow up in a safe area. He stated SWEAR was given a minimum amount of input and are now fighting an uphill battle. He stated Target Greatland owners don't live in Evanston. We need other development options for this site. Tax increases are needed but how about homes and light industry. This is by far the worst option. Judy Fraden, member of SWEAR and one of its founders, has children ages 21, 16, and 14. She taught in Des Plaines where, in her experience, drug use came from liquor abuse. She sees this as an opening to allow package sales in Evanston and stated that this area is a middle class integrated good family neighborhood. She felt a mall will hurt the neighborhood. Ms. Fraden cited examples of liquor abuse hurting friends of her children and asked that the City consider these thoughts before amending the liquor law. This portion of the meeting concluded at 6:35 P.M. Alderman Rainey asked Mayor Barr to explain the liquor licensing process that would ensue if the Committee recommends that package liquor can be sold in the 2201 West Howard Street site. 'ayor Barr stated that the Liquor Board Commissioners will vote to make . recommendation to the A&PW and the A&PW would then vote on authorizing an ordinance or else permit the sale of liquor at the project by Resolution and work out an ordinance later. Alderman Rainey cited the current procedure on new liquor licenses and said when we have 14 licenses of a certain class and if the new applicant qualifies, the A&PW and City Council amends the ordinance to permit 15, thereby granting the license. In this case, we have no applicant, just a concept of expanding the opportunity for a new applicant to apply for a license. Mayor Barr said that over the years she can remember only three special times when the usual procedure was not followed: 1. A discussion as to whether to permit warm beer and wine to be sold in groceries; 2. A discussion whether to permit B licenses; that is, a license to a restaurant selling beer without food outside the downtown area; and 3. Consideration of package stores outside downtown. In these three instances, recommendations came from the Liquor Commission and the Mayor to the A&PW and City Council. The A&PW and City Council then deliberated on the issues. That has been the practice over the life of the Liquor Commission. Alderman Rainey asked for comments from the Liquor Board members -egarding their opinion as to expanding our liquor ordinance to include . license for a food store in the Hartrey-Howard development. Joint Meeting of the Liquor Control Board and the A&PW Standing Committee Meeting Minutes - December 91 1991 Page --3- r. Heyrman answered that he was not prepared at this time to say how he would vote but stated he is inclined t-,) be in favor of the sale of liquor at that site. He has been a member of the Liquor Control Board since the first liquor license was issued in 1972 but has no experience or information that liquor would have bad effects on neighborhoods since liquor came into Evanston. He has not seen any harmful effects of downtown package liquor sales. He noted the comments from citizens tonight about the abuse of liquor in their neighborhoods. Mr. Heyrman stated that the Council passed the Liquor Act initially because of economic needs. He stated this alteration to the liquor regulations apparently will give a economic boost to the development area. Ms. Alexander asked if we are thinking wine and beer. Are we considering a bar for the development? Mayor Barr answered that there were no plans for a bar in the development. Class B restaurants downtown are permitted to have a bar but that is only permitted downtown. Alcohol sales would be permitted in this grocery/drug store development. Hours of liquor sales can be limited and what is sold can also be limited; that is, no single cans of beer or 1/2 pints. There could be restrictions imposed on the developer. Ms. Alexander asked if these restrictions would make a difference with the neighborhood. She stated that she voted against warm beer/wine in ood stores but now she was in favor of it. This could be an important 'evelopment for Evanston. Could we limit sales, have police security, .tc? She would like to hear more about it. Mr. Coleman stated t%at he wanted to hear how aldermen feel about the development. Alderman Rainey asked why the liquor commissioners do not have more opinions and inquired if they had been given facts about the development. Mayor Barr yes, but responded more dialogue between the two groups is needed tonight to aid in the decision. Alderman Newman said that he was on the Economic Development Committee and the question of alcohol never came before their committee. They supported the development but the basic issue was the question of money. only recently did the developer ask for alcohol privileges. He noted that packaged liquor is sold in his Ward, and he moved in knowing this. Many young families in Ward 1 are familiar with Ward a and SWEAR and that wonderful neighborhood. In his April, 1991 campaign he found the greatest problem to be the tax problem. In walking around his Ward, he receives no complaints regarding liquor but receives many complaints about taxes. Liquor is being sold around this area and at Howard and Western Avenues. The evidence is clear to him that we have a tax problem. The evidence is not clear to him that by placing the sale of -lochol in a grocery stores in a very controlled setting would hurt the .eighborhood but he does have evidence that a tax problem is there. He aluctantly feels the Council will have to support package liquor for this development. Joint Meeting of the Liquor Control Board and the A&PW Standing committee Meeting Minutes - December 9,.1991• Page -4- ayor Barr said Evanston 1st Liquors is in her old Ward, the 2nd Ward, and did not cause problems while she was Alderman. She didn't note any special problems from restaurants either while she was Alderman in the 2nd Ward. Alderman Nelson stated there are two package liquor stores and two restaurants with bars in his neighborhood: (Northwest Evanston immediately adjacent to Skokie) Toni's Liquor Store, Schaefer's Liquor Store, Ubaa Bar and Tower Restaurant. These businesses do not ruin or deteriorate the neighborhood. New residential developments have moved in. He has no control over Skokie laws governing liquor but still he has no evidence of a bad effect on the neighborhood. In the 7th Ward, Jilly's and another restaurant have liquor licenses and have not adversely affected the neighborhood. He stated there was a tax problem in Evanston and cited his 1986 study highlighting Evanston's high tax problem. Alderman Wallin said she was impressed with the developer's study showing a response to general merchandise needs of the neighborhood. She also stated a well run, quality development will help the neighborhood. Now is the time to regulate hours, location of liquor in the store, training of retail staff on liquor sales, and now is the time to put those protections in and tell the developer there are things we can live with. 1,1derman Esch commented that all the remarks have been enlightening and .mportant. She has heard concerns of citizens with regard to liquor privileges at the development but thinks the worst might not happen. The big concern in her Ward are high taxes. School taxes are going up 8% this year and that constitutes 2/3 of the tax bill. She doesn't want to be forced out of her neighborhood because of taxes. She stated she is in favor of the development since it appears to be of high quality. She doesn't believe there will be problems but would like the necessary controls put into the sale of liquor. Alderman Rainey said we have been told by the developer that we must produce for them by December 16 a resolution of our intent to develop a license for which their client, the grocery store/drug store can apply. It is her understanding that it is not a warm beer and wine license but a package liquor license. Mayor Barr asked if warm beer, wine, and hard liquor, (not cold items) full six packs (not single cans of beer) would be adequate to meet the needs of the developer. The Target representative stated he would have to go back and talk to the grocer to clarify whether a package liquor license with proper sales restrictions would qualify. Nlderman Rainey stated that we need to confirm whether the developer is .00king for a package liquor license. We are major players in this roject and should have the opportunity of talking directly to the grocer that will be in the development. Package liquor licenses are now restricted to three in the downtown area. There was a discussion on this point at the time the law was passed. F Joint Meeting of the Liquor Control Board and the A&PW Standing Committee Meeting Minutes -- December 9, 1991 Page -5-- lderman Rainey asked other aldermen present to be as sensitive to this issue as they would be if the development was being planned for their Ward and asked that the Resolution of Intent on the development site state that it be all inclusive and it is the intent of this committee to recommend to the city Council a package liquor license in each grocery store 12,000 square feet or more throughout Evanston, or failing approval of this, delay our intent until we have two advisory referendums on the March 17, 1992 ballot recommending permitting the issuance of warm beer/wine licenses to groceries 12,000 square feet or more and recommending permitting the issuance of package liquor licenses to groceries 12,000 square feet or more. She stated it would be unfair to ask only Southwest Evanston to bear the burden of a package liquor store. All she is asking is to make it available to all grocery stores over 12,000 square feet or have a referendum. She does not know how all of her Ward S feels about allowing warm beer and wine or package liquor in grocery stores. Mr. Heyrman stated since there is a sales restriction on this development, he suggests the hours of sale be reduced because of the development's critical location in the neighborhood. Reducing sale hours might alleviate neighborhood problems with liquor. Alderman Newman remarked that Mr. Heyrman's comments about restrictions of sale hours are secondary to where liquor sales will bo allowed. 'ayor Barr said that they could recommend package stores broadly or only .or this development and work out what could be sold regarding restrictions as to cold vs. warm and size of containers. Alderman Rainey asked to get back to the discussion of package liquor needs for this development. She cited a Skokie project that was proposer only 1/2 mile away. She noted it was to be a Skokie off-track betting facility. She was amazed by the number of public who testified they were not too concerned about gambling or betting but very concerned about the service of alcohol. Skokie citizens testified they don't need taxes from liquor. Perhaps the developer will give us time to develop alternatives to the sale of liquor for the project. Alderman Newman noted he will support any restriction to help protect the neighborhood. The agenda on December 16 should be the sale of package liquor in the development. Since the grocer is unknown, the developer would be expected to go along with any protection we need. He would consider package liquor for other 12,000 square foot groceries but doesn't want this development to wait for referenda or future considerations. The neighbors deserve the right to participate but we must move along on the development. Alderman Nelson agreed with Alderman Newman and said staff should prepare the necessary resolution for the December 16 A&PW meeting and ave a definitive resolution drafted that A&FW can address. In due .ourse, an ordinance would be required. A referenda should be a _parate issue from this development but in referenda often only 20% of the people that nay vote respond while scientific polls or surveys are more accurate and comprehensive. Joint Meeting of the Liquor control Board and the A&PW Standing Committee Meeting Minutes - December 9, 1991 Page --6-- lderman Rainey stated that a ballot box is the way we typically decide in this country. Election is our system. Alderman Nelson's request, with regard to a binding resolution of intent, is a radical departure from our current liquor license ordinance procedure. She observed that we often talk about how the liquor law changes affect all parts of town in our public discussions. She felt it would be a radical departure to adopt a Resolution of Intent for December 16 meeting without scheduling a City-wide public hearing on the matter. She stated that before a Resolution of Intent is passed, there must be a City-wide public hearing. Alderman Nelson said in the context of his comments he meant that at the December 16, 1991 A&PW meeting, it should be decided how to deal with the resolution and the appropriate ordinance.. He stated the present law discriminates in that only three package liquor licenses are now allowed in the downtown area. The Committee decided to experiment with Ward 1 in the Central Business District. This experience, it was felt, would be a valuable tool to gain experience. Mayor Barr remarked that in the past, several members would have voted for an ordinance amendment for City-wide package liquor stores but compromises were reached to satisfy all. She asked the Liquor Board Members if there were any recommendations they had for the A&PW. Mr. Heyrman stated he still feels the same about this issue and he would ote to permit package liquor sales in the new development. He stated a lublic hearing is proper if council sees fit. He also feels a referenda s not appropriate and would prefer the City Council make that decision. Mayor Barr then asked that a motion be made by a member of the Liquor Control Board. Mr. Heyrman made a motion to recommend to the Liquor Commissioner and the A&PW Committee that package liquor sales be permitted in the Howard Development. Ms. Alexander seconded the motion and asked if it can be limited to one year. Mayor Barr replied no. Mr. Coleman asked -chat was being thought of or voted on. Was it for just this development? Mayor Barr replied that this motion applied to just this development. Mr. Coleman asked if voting was only on this. development, where did 12,000 square feet come from. Mayor Barr responded that Alderman Rainey had a suggestion that would permit the sale of warm beer and wine in grocery stores of 12,000 square feet or more. Mr. Heyrman stated that he believed the sale of warm beer and wine in the grocery is an issue that would be acceptable and called for a vote. Donald Heyrman voted yes, Jean Alexander voted yes, Julian Coleman voted -to. Mr. Heyrman's motion was carried. Joint Meeting of the Liquor Control Board and the A&PW Standing Committee Meeting Minutes -- December 9, 1991 Page -7- .lderman Newman stated that fairness is necessary. We have the responsibility to the City to act quickly on this development and need a spacial city Council meeting on Saturday, December 21 to decide on liquor for the development. Citizens are entitled to a hearing and the developer is entitled to an answer. This is a tough' issue. All 18 aldermen ought to be there to decide. Alderman Rainey stated she didn't think it was fair to proceed too quickly. She deemed this development important to the people and SWEAR and affects other aldermen not in Ward S. We need to have a public hearing or delay the matter. This is the third time people have had to come out and give their opinions, and they have been asked for the past two weeks. The amount of liquor sales estimated for this project hasn't been responded to and Alderman Rainey stated it was unfair to move too quickly. She remarked that we ought to be equitable to all wards and not place a burden on one neighborhood. The Council has been reluctant before to allow even warm beer and wine sales in grocery stores. People are entitled to a public hearing and are entitled to to a referendum and liquor being allowed in all neighborhoods. Fairness should be followed. Alderman Nelson moved that staff be asked to prepare a resolution giving City Council intent to permit liquor sales in the Howard Development for consideration by the A&PW Committee and Clty Council at the next City Council meeting on December 16, 1991. 'his motion was seconded by Alderman Wollin. Alderman Rainey proposed an amendment which would require that prior to consideration of the resolution on Decembex 16 the Mayor consult with developers, the grocer, and the two aldermen of the Ward to determine the need for package liquor in the development. Alderman Nelson stated he is opposed to the amendment and feels that an information meeting or session should not be linked to approval of the resolution. He stated the Mayor can inquire of the developer and the developer can communicate with the Mayor on these development issues. Alderman Rainey stated we ought to be treated at least as well as first cousins for our $7 million and not unwarranted intruders. We need to talk directly with the grocer. No one has asked if we can talk to the grocer. Alderman Esch asked if the identity of the grocer had to be kept confidential by the developer. Alderman Rainey stated that the fact that the development requires our $7,000,000 subsidy requires us to be informed about the grocer. Alderman Newman responded that he has no problem with the two alderman 'n the 8th Ward and the Mayor meeting with the grocer. reg Hummel, attorney for the developer, said he was willing to facilitate that meeting but was not at this meeting to play games. He did not like comments alleging that he, as the developer's representative, lied about the need for liquor for the development. Joint Meeting of the Liquor Control Board and the A&PW Standing Committee Meeting Minutes - December 9, 1991 page -a- lderman Rainey stated that it never occurred to her to question Mr. HummelOs integrity. All she meant was that she hoped they could reason together. She was appalled at his comments suggesting the Committee questioned his integrity. Alderman Esch asked for a vote on the amendment. Aldermen Newman and Rainey voted aye; Aldermen Wollin, Nelson and Esch voted no - failed 3 to 2. Alderman Newman then stated to Attorney Hummel that it was totally appropriate for Alderman Rainey to point out the City role and our concerns. He understands and accepts the developer's request for package liquor. This is a public meeting. It is not Alderman Newman' - intent to ram it down the throats of the neighborhood. We must deal with it in a timely manner. Alderman Newman then asked Alderman Rainey to pick a date to decide the issue. Alderman Rainey responded that we need to develop an ordinance before Council adopts the resolution. She stated that she would like a public hearing set to give people all over the City the opportunity of offering their comments. Alderman Nelson stated he has no objection to a December 16 public hearing. He wants to get something definitive in print for the A&PW and he Council to react to. A draft of the resolution will be needed for lecember 16. Mayor Barr stated that if the matter is to be addressed on December 16, there will have to be a public hearing this Saturday, December 14th or December 16th. Alderman Rainey stated she was only interested in having a public hearing held before the December 16th Resolution of Intent is acted on. The members of the A&PW then voted on Alderman Nelson's original motion for a draft resolution to be submitted for considerat;on on December 16: Alderman Rainey, no; all others yes. Motion passed 4 to 1. Alderman Nelson then made a notion to hold a public hearing for the whole City Council to address this issue at 9:30 A.M. on December 14. Motion seconded by Alderman Wallin and passed 5 to 0. Mayor Barr said that another meeting on the other agenda items will be scheduled in the near future. There was a vote to adjourn. There being no further business, the joint meeting adjourned at 8:05 P.H. .cobert A. Shonk Finance Director