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Members Present:
Members Absent:
Energy Alternatives Task Force
Meeting of January 7. 1993
Minutes
Anne Dienner, Roseanne Dineen, Bill Hartgering, David
Kraft, Ned Lauterbach. Charles Lippitz, Ed Pabst. Norm
Raedle, Jan Schakowsky. Jim Suhr
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Presiding Official: Jim Suhr, Chair
Alderman Present: Sue Brady, Jean Esch, Anny Heydemann, Cheryl Wollin
Staff Present: Eric Anderson, Dennis Marino
Guests Present: Howard Lerner. Business and Professional People for the
Public Interest
Summary of Action
The meeting was called to order at 6:30 P.M. by Chairman Jim Suhr.
Communications
Mr. Suhr ackowledged four communications: proposed Illinois Commerce
Commission order concerning reliability; a Nuclear Energy Information Service
press release and a Greepeace Report concerning the economic impact of nuclear
power; an Evanston Review Article describing the December 23. 1992 Meeting of
the Task Force and; a letter from Commonwealth Edison concerning ongoing
electrical service and proposed improvements.
Rosanne Dineen asked Eunice Collins if she was aware of the ICC timeline for
consideration and adoption of the proposed reliability standards. Ms. Dineen
also asked how long would be required for the proposed standards to be
implemented if the ICC were to adopt the proposed order. Ms. Collins responded
that the ICC is not likely to adopt the order for some time and that she would
inquire as to the amount of time required to meet the standards if they were
to be approved. Rosanne Dineen also requested information concerning any
filings by Com Ed with the ICC concerning this proposal.
Jan Schakowsky recommended that the City testify when public hearings occur
concerning the reliability standards proposal. Jim Suhr concurred. It was
agreed by consensus of the Task Force that Evanston should be an intervenor
and testify at the appropriate time.
Members next discussed the appropriateness of entering executive session to
discuss the impact upon Evanston of the decision of the Illinois Supreme Court
in the case of AT&T v Arlington Heights. Bill Hartgering moved that the Task
Force enter executive session because he did not want someone from Com Ed
present when he is discussing a strategy for negotiations. Charles Lippitz
provided a second.
Jan Schakowsky objected to entering executive session stating that the time
for open discussion of the issue was long overdue. She added that negotiating
goals and objectives are not legitimate executive session items. Charles
Lippitz stated that executive session was appropriate because the City was
involved in pending litigation with Com Ed. He added that it would be unwise
for negotiating strategy to be discussed in public.
Rosanne Dineen observed that the Task Force had voted to make the negotiating
goals public, but that it should discuss legal issues in executive session.
Bill Hartgering added that most of the discussion tonight will take place
after pending litigation is addressed in executive session. The Task Force, on
a roll call vote, approved the motion to enter executive session (7:00 P.M.)
on an B-2 vote (Kraft and Schakowsky dissenting).
The public meeting was reconvened at 7:30 P.M. Jan Schakowsky introduced
Howard Lerner, General Counsel for Business and Professional People for the
Public Interest, who she had invited with the agreement of Jim Suhr to address
the Task Force. Ms. Schakowsky stated that she had asked Mr. Lerner to address
the difference in the posture of the City under two distinct options: an
extension of the franchise or going naked (without a franchise). She added
that it had been represented by some members that there is no difference
between going naked and signing the six year extension.
Howard Lerner began his presentation by questioning the need for six years for
the City to decide whether or not to municiplize its electric system. He added
that there were four issues that the City must address: the price of wholesale
power; a demand side management strategy; the cost of condemning the existing
electric distribution system and; the management plan for operating the system.
Ned Lauterbach asked Mr. Lerner to estimate the cost of these studies. Mr.
Lerner suggested several sources to contact for cost estimates.
Ed Pabst stated that some local institutions were shifting to co -generation,
leading to a concern that a municipal system or Com Ed could be left with
primarily smaller electrical users who are uneconomical to serve. Mr. Lerner
responded that Com Ed rates are so high that smart electric users were
investing in co -generation or were purchasing power wholesale. From a
municipal utility perspective, he added, the extent to which one wants to
encourage co -generation depends on the extent to which it is desirable to
generate more power locally through co -generation.
Eric Anderson asked if one could project long term wholesale power rates with
confidence. Howard Lerner responded that the electric power market is very
fluid. He added that projections beyond ten years were not reliable and that
projections for a five year period were more reliable than for ten years.
Mr. Anderson stated that if a municipal electric utility encourages
co -generation, it could lose customers and lose the ability to pay off bonds.
Mr. Lerner responded that this was an issue, but a municipal electric utility
could also be able to reduce its wholesale power purchases if demand is
reduced via co -generation.
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Charles Lippitz asked Mr. Lerner how the City would arrive at the point where
it can make an effective analysis for the long term about which option to
choose. Mr. Lerner responded that consultants can make projections for 5-20
years and that there is more reliability in the five and ten year projections.
Jan Schakowsky asked Mr. Lerner to address the distinctions between renewing
the existing franchise and going naked. Mr. Lerner stated that the six year
extension had several problems including: a lost opportunity to capture
savings for consumers if a municipal system had been established; an
expectation of continued service for at least six years by Com Ed which could
lead to a lawsuit if the City attempted to municipalize the system and; an
increased price in the cost of the distribution system via condemnation
because the value of the extended franchise will increase the system's value.
Several members of the Task Force stated, 1n response to Mr. Lerner's
comments. that they had assumed, based on the opinion of Jack Siegel, that the
City could exit the six year franchise in order to municipalize the electric
system. Rosanne Dineen added that Mr. Siegel had commented that Com Ed could
sue for breach of contract if this occurred although such a lawsuit was not
given much weight. Charles Lippitz added that the franchise is non-exclusive.
In response. Howard Lerner suggested that the members secure a legal opinion
from a condemnation attorney. He added that he was not prepared to render a
legal opinion.
Jan Schakowsky stated that extending the franchise affects the City's ability
to exercise the power of eminent domain and the ultimate price of the
distribution system. She added that the debate about extending the franchise
has centered around dollars. Eric Anderson responded that the City did not
have a legal opinion indicating that the price of the distribution system
would increase as a result of the City signing a six year franchise extension.
David Kraft noted that Jack Siegel had issued an opinion that another utility
would require a certificate of convenience and need from the Illinois Commerce
Commission to serve Evanston despite the non - exclusive nature of Evanston's
franchise with Com Ed. Howard Lerner added that there is a premise in Illinois
that one does not have competition in service areas.
Norm Raedle stated that Mr. Lerner had substantial experience with the ICC. He
also noted that proposed reliability standards were under consideration and
that the Task Force had repeatedly asked Com Ed for data concerning the
distribution system and had been rebuffed repeatedly. He asked if the ICC,
given the current discussion about reliability. would listen to Evanston's
request for information.
Mr. Lerner responded that the ICC is conducting proceedings on reliability
generated by pressure placed on the Commission. He added that the Commission
was desirous of hearing the opinions of municipalities. He encouraged Evanston
to attempt to secure the needed information through the discovery process.
David Kraft next asked Mr. Lerner the likelihood of the Illinois Supreme Court
granting the petition for rehearing in the AT&T case. Mr. Lerner responded
that the Supreme Court rarely grants or considers rehearing petitions,
however, the reaction of the Court is inherently unpredictable.
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Bill Hartgering reiterated his view that the flexibility of the City 1s the
same under the six year franchise extension or operating without a franchise.
He asked Mr. Lerner to explain why he believed there was a basic difference in
the City's flexibility under the two options. Mr. Lerner stated that if the
City goes bare now, Com Ed has no legitimate expectations of long term service
nor rights. If the franchise extension is signed. Com Ed will contend that it
does have legitimate expectations.
Mr. Hartgering responded that if Com Ed improves the system during this
period, then the City should expect to pay for the added value. but he
questioned what other value mould be added. Mr. Lerner responded that there
would be continued hagglings with Com Ed over the six year service
expectation. David Kraft added that there is a Chicago precedent where Edison
raised the issue of stranded investment to increase the cost of acquisition of
the system.
Eric Anderson clarified that the City cannot merely opt out of the extension
at any time during the six year period unless it pursues municipalization. The
City may opt out during the 75 day window or it may opt out at any time to
condemn and municipalize the system. Bill Hartgering asked if the City would
be in breach of the franchise extension if it were to be prepared to
municipalize in two years. Mr. Anderson responded that the City would not be
in breach, but Com Ed may sue anyway.
Ned Lauterbach asked Mr. Lerner if there were other advantages of going bare.
Mr. Lerner responded that the primary advantage was to move on the
municipalization option in less than six years. Ned Lauterbach added that it
may take six years to have the necessary funding available to complete the
studies.
Jim Suhr thanked Howard Lerner for his presentation and a brief recess
occurred.
At 8:43 P.M., the meeting reconvened and Bill Hartgoring reminded members that
in in order to municipalize the system, according to Duncan and Allen, a
referendum was required by state law. He stated that there was a timing
question involved so that the referndum could occur before the 75 day window
to opt out expired. Eric Anderson responded that if the City Council feels the
need to municipalize at the end of the franchise extension, then he would
recommend that the Council opt out. Alderman Sue Brady commented that if a
referendum is binding and municipalization wins, then the Council must opt out
of the franchise.
Members next clarified the procedures which are likely to be followed during
the January llth City Council Meeting. Eric Anderson explained that there are
two separate proposed ordinances on the Council floor, ORD 111-0-92 which
extends the 1957 franchise for six years, and ORD 112-0-92 which adopts the
NWMC Franchise at the conclusion of the six year extension withg a 75 day opt
out period.
Rosanne Dineen moved that the Task Force recommend the adoption of 111-0-92.
Charles Lippitz provided a second.
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Jan Schakowsky stated that she was opposed to the six year extension because
she believed that the municipalization option studies should take no more than
two years. She added that the City would be in a stronger position without the
added encumberance of a franchise.
Ned Lauterbach questioned how fast the City could fund and complete the needed
studies especially if free electricity was Jepordized by going without a
franchise. He asked that the City Manger present the best case secenario under
both options: going bare and; extending the franchise for six years. Mr.
Lauterbach also asked Mr. Anderson if he would recommend funding for the group
that succeeds the Task Force.
Eric Anderson summarized the best case if the City were to go naked as
follows: the AT&T v Arlinq#nHeig is case is upheld and Com Ed accepts the
City's position on the rights of way charges; the City would lose $30.000 in
free electricity for the period between the expiration of the old franchise
and the passage of the ordinance authorizing fees for the use of rights of
way; the City would lose $50,000 annually because of the higher rates charged
by Com Ed for water pumping without a franchise (made retroactive to March
1992); This results in a $180.000 loss to the City over two years.
Mr. Anderson next presented a worst case scenario assuming that the City were
to go naked which included a $440.000 loss in the first year and a $400.000
loss in the second year with the additional costs due to the assumption that
the City would lose all free electricity due to Com Ed's litigating the rights
of way fees and related legal expenses.( $350,000 annual free electricity,
$50,000 water pumping differential, and $40.000 in legal expenses).
Mr. Anderson added that under a franchise extension, there will be no loss of
free electricity. This is both the best and the worst case.
Mr. Anderson stated that it was his responsibility to run the City's business.
He added that in the proposed 1993-94 Budget, there will be no increase in
property taxes nor any increase in employees' wages and 21 positions have been
eliminated. Mr. Anderson commented that the proposed capital improvement
budget includes $300.000 in funding for energy alternatives studies over a
three year period ($0 - Year 1; $200.000 - Year 2 and $100,000 - Year 3). He
added that if he also had to confront the loss of revenue imposed by going
naked, a major revenue gap would occur.
Bill Hartgering asked the source of the $68,000 appropriated to fund the Power
Supply Study. Mr. Anderson responded that it was excess funds from the capital
improvement budget.
Charles Lippitz stated that he believed that if the City were to go naked, the
financial situation would be somewhere between the two cases, neither best nor
worst case.
Norm Raedle commented that he was perplexed that the Task Force had another
recommendation on the floor, yet it had not addressed the recommendation it
had made to the Council in November and reaffirmed in December. Rosanne Dineen
responded that she was proposing to change the recommendaticn to follow the
manner in which the Council is considering the franchise extension. Mr Raedle
stated that the Task Force would have to first rescind its initial
recommendation if it were to vote for the motion on floor. Rosanne Dineen
responded that the motion on the floor does not necessarily conflict with the
initial recommendation.
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Alderman Heydemann commented that she wanted clarification form the Task Force
concerning whether the six year extension is preferable to going naked. She
acknowledged the 8-1 vote in December reaffirming the November recommendation
to adopt the Manager's and Negotiating Team's recommendation, but the
testimony she had heard during Council Meetings appeared to have a number of
qualifiers.
Jan Schakowsky stated that 1t was Eric Anderson's job to watch the City's
budget, but it is the Task Force's responsibility to represent the electric
ratepayers of Evanston who pay $50 million annually to Coo Ed. She added that
there has been hestitation at City Council to fund the needed studies, now the
Manager is not willing to recommend money for studies during the first year of
the franchise extension. If this occurs, she added, Com Ed had won and the
issue of municipalization studies has been placed on the back burner. Ms.
Schakowsky concluded by stating that in the context of things, we are talking
about pennies.
Ned Lauterbach stated that if the Task Force wants studies completed, then it
is easier to do with a franchise extension.
Chales Lippitz commented that the City Council may be getting what appears to
be a confusing statement from the Task Force. Although the Task Force has
recommended the adoption of the Manager's recommendation, nobody likes the opt
out provision. The Task Force's discussions have represented an honest
expression of the way we feel on a difficult question with no clear answer.
Ed Pabst stated that the best case statement presented tonight assuming the
City goes naked is a substantial understatement of financial risk.
On a roll call vote, the Task Force voted 7-3 in favor of recommending that
the City Council adopt Ordinance 111-0-92 ( Aye: Wenner, Dineen, Hartgering,
Lauterbach, Lippitz, Pabst, Suhr; Nay: Kraft, Raedle, Schakowsky).
Charles Lippitz moved that the City Council adopt Ordinance 112-0-92. The
motion received a second from Rosanne Dineen. Charles Lippitz stated that the
adoption of the NWMC Franchise at the end of the six year extension with a 75
day opt out window was the only option offered by Com Ed to outright adoption
of the NWMC Franchise. He stated that this is what the City Manger has stated
before the Task Force and that he has no reason to believe that Goa Ed does
not mean what they say. Mr. Lippitz added that he will vote for the motion
because citizens will not stand behind the Task Force if additional studies
require a change in City services or an increase in property taxes.
Rosanne Dineen stated that she was concerned about Com Ed using the stranded
investment argument as part of possible condemnation proceedings in six years
if the City adopts a 56 agreement now with a 75 day opt out provision. She
added that the stranded investment argument is negligible under a six year
franchise extension, but it is a substantial argument under a 56 year
agreement from a financial perspective.
Ned Lauterbach stated that the Task Force was voting to go naked if it votes
no on this motion and that the Task Force will not have the funding to do
additional studies.
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David Kraft stated that the City had invested $30,000 in a $50 million issue.
He added that the Task Force must tell the Council that this is the most
serious community development issue for the City. He concluded by commenting
that Evanston will soon have a world class library, but it is slipping into a
Third World electrical distribution system.
Jim Suhr stated that he is not 1n favor of endorsing the NWMC Franchise in any
fashion, especially given that the Task Force had voted unanimously to oppose
the Model Franchise when it was issued. He added that he was sympathetic on
the budget and he did not want taxes to increase, but he believed that there
had not been much progress on several issues. He concluded by stating that Coro
Ed has to do more to prove to the people of Evanston that they are worthy of
our support given that we are customers, not someone to be snubbed.
Bill Hartgering stated that it was difficult to ignore the realities of the
free electrical service at risk which on a worse case basis, could represent
an accrual of $1.4 million. He questioned the purpose of the financial risk of
going naked, especially when the funds available could be used for the
purposes David Kraft and others had proposed. He added that it would be more
difficult to obtain the funding for the additional studies without a
franchise. He concluded by stating that it is irresponsible to not recommend
adoption of both ordinances given the financial risk invloved with going
naked.
Ed Pabst asked what the City's staus would be in five years if the Council
opted out of the six year extension. Eric Anderson responded that this would
be the same as the situation on March 5. 1992 when the 1957 franchise expired.
Jan Schakowsky stated that she was responding to Bill Hartgering's remark that
it was irresponsible for the City to not adopt both ordinances by contending
that it would be irresponsible for the City to sign on with Com Ed for 56
years. Bill Hartgering responded that in five years the City can reexamine its
decision.
Charles Lippitz stated that he wanted to fund the additional studies and that
the reality of the situation demanded that the City remain involved with Coo
Ed even though he sympathized with the statements made by others on the Task
Force.
The Task Force voted 6-4 on a roll call vote in favor of recommending that the
City Council adopt Ordinance 112-0-92 (Aye: Dienner, Hartgering, Lauterbach.
Lippitz, Pabst, Raedle; Hay: Dineen, Kraft. Schakowsky, Suhr).
Ned Lauterbach moved that the Task Force recommend to the City Council that it
provide funding for an Alternative Energy Commission in an amount not to = z=
exceed $300,000 in the next three years in addition to the $68,000 already
appropriated. Rosanne Dineen provide a second to the motion.
David Kraft stated that the basis of the $300,000 needed to be explained to
the City Council with a detailed budget and work plan. Ned Lauterbach stated
that the Task Force needed to present the detail suggested by David Kraft in Hu
90 days._
The Task Force voted in favor of Mr. Lauterbach's motion 8-2 on a roll call
vote (May: Kraft, Raedle)
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Ed Pabst asked that the transmittal to City Council reflect that many Task
Force members voted for adoption because of the large sum of money at risk.
Nora Raedle suggested that the Task Force vote this evening had reaffirmed its
previous recommendations to the City Council.
Rosanne Dinnen and Anne Dienner agreed to work on the proposed ICC reliability
standards and to report at the next meeting. A subcommittee was formed to work
on the detailed recommendation to Council which is due during the first week
of March, 1993. Members include. David Kraft, Ed Pabst, Ned Lauterbach, Jim
Suhr and Rosanne Dineen
The meeting was adjourned at 10:20 P.M.
Dennis Marino
Economic Development Planner
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Members Present:
Members Absent:
Presiding Official:
Staff Present:
Summary of Action
Approved
Energy Alternatives Task Force
Meeting of February 4. 1993
Minutes
Rosanne Dineen, David Kraft, Charles Lippitz, Ed
Pabst, Jan Schakowsky. Jim Suhr
Ann Dienner. Bill Hartgering, Ned Lauterbach,
Norm Raedle
Jim Suhr. Chairman
Judith Aiello. Dennis Marino
The Meeting was called to order at 7:OS P.M. Ed Pabst moved approval of the
minutes of Meeting of January 7th with four revisions. Charles Lippitz
provided a second to the motion and the minutes, with revisions, were approved
unanimously.
Jim Suhr stated that Mayor Barr had convened a new Negotiating Team and that
negotiations with Commonwealth Edison had been reinstituted. Jan Schakowsky
asked what the nature of the discussions had been with Com Ed. Judith Aielllo
stated that all discussions with the Negotiating Team had been in Executive
Session. Ms. Schakowsky stated that she had assumed that the position of the
City reflects the position of the City Council which is to secure a six year
extension of the franchise. Judith Aiello confirmed that this was the case.
Coaauni cati ons
Mr. Suhr acknowledged receipt of the City Council Minutes of January 11, 1993
and the January 13, 1993 &11 Street Journ l article describing actions of
Public Service Co. of New Mexico that include dropping opposition to retail
vheeling, selling excess generating capacity and laying off staff.
Mr. Suhr reported a conversation with Pat Frank of the Environmental Control
Board where Ms. Frank expressed regret that the subcommittee created to
address a City wide energy policy had not progressed. A meeting is expected in
February concerning this issue.
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Proposed State Legislation — Disclosure of Condition of Equipment and
Facilities
Jan Schakowsky reported on proposed legislation to require utility companies,
except for telephone companies. to disclose information concerning the
condition of plant and equipment. She reported on a meeting between Citizen
Utility Board representatives and representatives of the Task Force concerning
this subject and the need for a state statute concerning retail wheeling like
the New Mexico situation.
Ms. Schakowsky stated that she had also discussed the proposed legislation
with the Northwest Municipal Conference and other possible supporters. Judith
Aiello suggested that the Task Force consider sponsoring a meeting to inform
other municipalities of this development. Ms. Schakowsky added that it would
be important for a representative of the Task Force to testify when the bill
goes before the Public Utilities Committee.
Ms. Schakowsky also reported that CUB staff believes that the City of Chicago
received more information concerning the distribution system than Evanston had
received from Commonwealth Edison. She added that Sue Stewart of CUB would
confirm if this is correct.
Next, Rosanne Dineen discussed the ICC Docket concerning proposed reliability
standards which has been under review for almost one year and has included
forums which are basically evidentiary hearings. Ms. Dineen reported that a
hearing was proposed for the South Austin neighborhood in Chicago, which she
recommended that a representative of the City of Evanston attend and submit
testimony. She added that the City could also become a formal intervenor with
the ICC which should not cost anything. She concluded by stating the docket
will close and be decided within the next twelve months.
Staff agreed to contact South Austin representatives to determine when the
hearing would occur.
Jim Suhr reported that the utilities have been heavily involved in fighting
this proposed reliability rule.
Jan Schakowsky moved that the Task Force recommend to the City Council that
the City of Evanston became a formal intervenor on the proposed docket issue.
Ed Pabst provided a second. Rosanne Dineen asked what would be provided to an
Intervenor. David Kraft responded that the City would receive all documents
that are filed concerning the docket as well as have the right to question the
parties and secure information through a discovery process.
Judith Aiello stated that she would confirm whether the Nib had intervened on
the reliability proposal. Members expressed interest in intervening directly
even if the Nib had intervened.
Franchise Fees and Free Electricity
Dennis Marino reported that the ICC docket proposing to require that the cost
of free electricity and franchise fees granted to a municipality be added -back
into that community's rate base, would not be acted upon until this steer -
according to an ICC Nearing Examiner. Mr. Marino stated that the City of
Chicago had filed two motions with the ICC hearing Examiner concerning the
docket. One motion requested that the proceedings be stayed pending outcome of
a related court case. The second motion requested that real estate taxes be
included -in the docket as well as free electricity and franchise fees. Both
motions were denied by the Hearing Examiner and have been appealed to the ICC.
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Discussion of Planned Report to the City Council in March, 1993
Jim Suhr began the discussion by updating members that there is $62,000
available from the funds previously appropriated for the R.W. Beck Study. In
addition, City Council was considering the addition of $38,000 to the
remaining funds from the Beck study so that a total of $100,000 would be
available for energy alternative studies in FY 1993-94. Additional funds for
alternative energy studies have been included in the proposed Capital
Improvement Budget in the amounts of $200,000 for 1994-95 and $100.000 for
1995-96.
Mr. Suhr reported that he had discussed with David Kraft and Ed Pabst the most
desirable way to proceed. Ideally, if the City had the necessary funding, it
would be desirable to commission all the studies simultaneously. Another
philosphy is to move forward with the R.H. Beck Study. A third approach might
be made to wait nine months until the ICC rate cases are decided.
David Kraft stated that he believed an integrated study with a compressed
timeline was the proper way to proceed. He added that the piecemeal approach
that the City had taken was not working.
Jim Suhr stated that perhaps Stanley Consultants could be asked to assist the
Task Force in structuring an appropriate work plan. Dennis Marino, upon
questioning by Mr. Suhr, reported that there was $500 remaining of the funds
appropriated to fund Stanley's previous York.
Ed Pabst stated that he would like to do one study. He questioned if the power
supply study and an appraisal of the system could be done for $100,000? Judith
Aiello responded that she did not believe that it was possible. Rosanne Dineen
concurred. Mr. Pabst next questioned what additional work could be
accomplished by Beck for an additional $30.000.
After discussion and clarification about the proposed funding of the energy
alternatives studies. Charles Lippitz observed that there had been discussion
by Council members that the studies could be completed in two years, yet he
was hearing tonight that the full funding for the studies will not be
available for five years. He stated that this was a contradiction.
Mr. Lippitz added that the Task Force's report to the City Council should
state clearly that if sufficient funding were available now, then the
timetable for completion of studies would be considerably less than five
years. Given the funding proposed, the Task Force would be required to
postpone aspects of the study that could be completed earlier.
Jan Schakowsky stated that the thorniest problem is the evaluation of the
system. She added that Howard Lerner had indicated that the power supply issue
is not a big issue, that power is available. Ms. Schakowsky concluded by
stating that she would prefer to move ahead with the evaluation of the system
instead of the power supply study.
Members next discussed the various methods to secure the needed information
for the evaluation and appraisal study, including a final formal request of
Com Ed. and the Impact of the possible passage of the proposed equipment and
system disclosure legislation discussed earlier_
Ed Pabst concurred with Jan Schakowsky's proposal to go forward with the
evaluation of the system. given that the Task Force already had information on
the possible power supply.
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Jim Suhr suggested that the Task Force recommend to Administration and Public
Works Committee, the most logical procedure for the additional studies, with
the flexibility to shift steps depending on changing conditions. The Committee
agreed with this approach by consensus.
Ed Pabst stated that he was concerned that the City would lose 2-3 months if
we shifted to the Evaluation Study next because of the lost time due to new
RFP's and evaluation of RFP's. Consequently, he was abandoning this approach.
Instead, he suggested that Beck might be asked to do some preliminary
appraisal of the system with the additional $30.000.
Rosanne Dineen returned to the suggestion that Stanley Consultants be brought
in to study the logical procedure for the studies. She added that the current
work plan was devised three years ago by Duncan and Allen and that conditions
had changed. Ed Pabst stated that he was concerned about the amount of time
and money that would be required. Jan Schakowsky stated that she did not
object to bringing in Stanley, but that it should occur quickly. Ms.
Schakowsky reiterated that the evaluation of the system is the core Issue. Ed
Pabst suggested that Stanley be asked what could be done concerning the
evaluation of the system for $100.000.
Chuck Lippitz concurred with the suggestion to involve Stanley in the
development of the work plan before going to the City Council.
Mr. Lippitz asked when the capital budget would be allocated and approved.
Judith Aiello responded that the Council would approve the 1994-95 capital
budget in February 1994. Mr Lippitz responded that contracts for those funds
could then be executed in March, 1994. Ms. Aiello concurred.
Jim Suhr summarized the direction of the Task Force: first contact Stanley and
update where we are on this issue; then schedule a working meeting with
Stanley and the Task Force to discuss the work plan. He requested that Stanley
be provided with relevant documents and minutes to bring them up to speed.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:28 P.M.
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Dennis Marino
Economic Development Planner
' I APPROVED
ENERGY ALTERNATIVES TASK FORCE
MEETING OF MARCH 4, 1993
MINUTES
Members Present: Ann Dienner, Rosanne Dineen, Hilliam Hartgering, David
_Kraft, Ed Pabst, Norm Raedle
Members Absent: Ned Lauterbacty, Charles Lippitz. Jan Schakowsky, Jim Suhr
Presiding Official: Rosanne Dineen, Acting Chair
Staff Present: Judith Aiello. Dennis Marino
Guests Present: Richard Hutmacher and Ken Jacobs. Stanley Consultants
Summary of Action
Approval of Minutes
The meeting was convened at 7:35 P.M. Ann Dienner moved approval of the draft
minutes of February 4. 1993. Charles Lippitz provided a second and the minutes
were approved unanimously.
Communications
Rosanne Dineen reported a planned open house at Evanston Township High School
on March 7, 1993 to tour the new co -generation facility. Norm Raedle commented
that the recent article in the Nail Street Journal about Public Service
Company of New 14exico demonstrated how this utility is reacting to the
marketplace by changing its direction in order to become competitive. He added
that the debate continues within the City of Albuquerque as to whether the
utility (PSCNM) will be the provider of electricity under a new franchise
agreement or if another utility will provide service.
David Kraft referred to a series of publications about strategic planning and
a Cogeneration Journal that the City might want to consider acquiring. He also
noted that Potomac Power will eliminate 58% of its planned expansion 1n,power
generation by implementing a conservation program.
Rosanne Dineen stated that the City Council had approved $100.0DO in funding
for alternative energy studies in Fiscal Year 1993-94. This includes funds
which had been previously -approved for the Power Supply Study. She added that
an additional $300,000 has been included in the capital ioprovement budget
over a three year period.
' Update - Proposed Legislative and Regulatory Actions
Rosanne Dineen reported that State Representative Schakowsky intends to draft
legislation concerning the disclosure of distribution and transmission system
information by utilities. This will be submitted to the Public Utilities
Committee and should be acted upon by June 30th.
Ms. Dineen also stated that the City Council had approved the Task's Force
recommendation that Evanston become an intervenor in the service reliability
docket drafted by the Illinois Commerce Commission.
David Kraft reported that during the February meeting of the Task Force, he
had announced that the ICC was planning to hold hearings on the Test Side of
Chicago concerning the reliability docket. He added that the ICC now does not
intend to hold any additional hearings. He suggested that therefore, Evanston
should consider holding its own hearing concerning reliability and submit a
transcript to the ICC.
Presentation by Stanley Consultants
Rosanne Dineen introduced Ken Jacobs of Stanley Engineering, which had agreed
to advise the Task Force concerning procedural steps for conducting additional
aspects of the municipalization studies.
Mr. Jacobs introduced Dick Hutmacher, the Director of Planning for Stanley
Consultants. Mr. Hutmacher recited his professional credentials which included
licensure as a professional engineer and extensive experience with projects
involving power supply, transmission, electric rate studies, load forecasting,
demand side management, economic evaluation and engineering planning.
Mr. Hutmacher stated that the decision to municipalize or not municipalize an
electrical distribution system is a decision that is ultimately a combination
of economic and political decisions. He added that the three critical economic
activities which must be completed to develop a bottom line projection are: a
power supply study, a system appraisal (value and reliability issues) and a
financial projection.
If sufficient funds were available, Fir. Hutmacher stated that all aspects of
the municipalization study could be performed simultaneously. With limited
funding available, however, he recommended that the Task Force focus upon a
system appraisal initially with an emphasis upon reliability first and value
secondarily. Mr. Hutmacher stated that given the history of reliability issues
in Evanston, not much has been done until a reliability study occurs.
Mr. Hutmacher defined a reliability study as a determination of the current
status of the distribution system with regard to outages, voltage levels,
overloads and other issues. The study should attempt to identify the causes of
any problems in these areas and to recommend improvements in facilities and
equipment to resolve these problems. Cost estimates should be provided for the
recommended improvements and these costs should be added to the cost of
purchasing the distribution system.
Mr. Hutmacher added that he did not envision any disadvantage to conducting
the valuation of the system after the improvement needs of the system have
been identified. He added that the value of the system will be constant over a
five to six year period.
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Concerning the power supply study. Mr. Hutmacher cautioned against conducting
this study so far from the time when the municipalization decision is likely
to be made. the availability and cost of power from a given utility may change
significantly over a three to five year period. Mr. Hutmacher added. Given its
time dependent nature, he suggested that the power supply study be completed
as close to the municipalization decision as possible.
Mr. Hutmacher stated that deferring the financial projection involved in the
municipalization studies was not a major liability given that the projection
would need to be revised anyway at a time shortly before the municipalization
decision.
In conclusion, Mr Hutmacher recommended that the components of the
municipalization study be given the following priority.
1. Distribution System Condition and Reliability
2. Distribution System Financial Valuation
3. Power Supply Study
a. Financial Projection
Bill Hartgering asked how one would determine the reliability of the system
when one does not have control of the system or access to information. Mr.
Hutmacher responded that to a large extent, the effectiveness of a reliability
study will depend on the cooperation of Com Ed. He stated that he assumed Cam
Ed maintains outage records. He recommended that the City hire an engineer to
work with Com Ed generated data to analyze outage records. to become familiar
with the distribution system and to define the source of the problems.
Mr. Hartgering asked if there was any reason to believe that Com Ed would
cooperate or if the ICC will make them cooperate. Ken Jacobs responded that
Loyola University had initiated such a study because of numerous outages on
its Maywood Medical Center campus. He added that after initially examining a
cogeneration option, Loyola decided to stay with Com Ed provided the
distribution system was improved.
Mr. Hutmacher stated that an Iowa industrial customer of the local power
customer had hired Stanley to address reliability problems and to develop
standards and make recommendations to improve performance of the electric
company.
Judith Aiello asked Mr. Hutmacher to state the level of detail that would be
possible in the reliability study. Mr. Hutmacher responded that initially the
City should request outage records from Com Ed. If the response is that they
do not keep the outage records, then the City and its consultant would be
shooting in the dark. Mr. Hutmacher added that he doubted that Con Ed would
fail to maintain outage records. He also stated that he would request detailed
capital improvement plans from Com Ed for the next two to three years to
determine how the company plans to address its reliability problems.
David Kraft asked what required reporting requirements aright exist between the
industry and regulatory bodies. Mr. Hutmacher responded that the utility must
file its integrated resource plan with the ICC, but it is not required to file
reports that he is aware of concerning part of its distribution system.
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Ken Jacobs commented that Com Ed has the information the Task Force is seeking
concerning outages which meet a certain threshold and are recorded at the
substation level of the system. He added that Com Ed might be cooperative if
the company believes that if the problem is solved, the City may not want to
take over the system. Mr. Jacobs reported that Com Ed was cooperative with
Loyola's consultants. Mr. Jacobs concluded by stating that the reliability
study could be a benefit to the community because if nothing else happens,
then at least this problem has been addressed.
David Kraft stated that if he were Com Ed, he would not share information with
a community considering a hostile takeover. Hr. Hutmmiacher responded that Cora
Ed may believe the City will be more difficult if the company does not
cooperate. Norm Raedle stated that Com Ed has a consistent track record of not
cooperating with Evanston. Rosanne Dineen added that Coax Ed invited the City's
consultants to view systems maps in its offices.
Ed Pabst commented that it is one thing to have outage history, but he
questioned how one determines the causes of the outages without access to
detailed information on the distribution system. Hr. Hutmacher responded that
the City is the victim of the data available and what can be obtained from Coo
Ed. He added that an experienced distribution engineer can learn a
considerable amount about the system by conducting a driving inspection of an
overhead system, which represents a considerable percentage of the
distribution system located in Evanston.
Judith Aiello asked how sophisticated the outage records were that Loyola had
received from Com Ed. Mr. Jacobs responded that the records included the date,
length and reason for each of the outages listed. He added that fifty percent
of the outages that Loyola had experienced were not included in Com Ed's
records.
Rosanne Dineen commented that Com Ed must have records for Evanston outages
given how T of the 18 outages in Southwest Evanston were explained in detail
in a letter to customers.
Ann Dienner asked what had caused Loyola to remain with Com Ed as its
electrical supplier. Mr. Jacobs responded that substantial improvements will
be made to the distribution system to solve the reliability problems and that
Loyola had concluded that the payback from cogeneration was not as substantial
as it had anticipated.
Judith Aiello asked if there was a threshold payback period for cogeneration.
Hr. Hutmacher responded that a reasonable rate of return is dependent on the
attitude and philosophy of the institutions or businesses involved. He added
that some of his clients demanded a 2-4 year payback period while others were
satisfied with a 6-8 year payback period. Ken Jacobs added that Northwestern
University said no to a four year payback while kooseheart was satisfied with
a ten year payback.
Norm Raedle stated that if the City were to ask Coo Ed for outage reports now.
it would probably be turned down. Hr. Hutmmaacher suggested -that the City ask
Com Ed, before an RFP is issued, what to expect in the -way of cooperation on
data requests. He suggested that someone who is experienced in the field
accompany City officials when the request for cooperation is made of Coo Ed.
Rosanne Dineen concurred with Hr. Hutmacher's recommendation.
Norma Raedle asked if there was any reason to believe that Com Ed would
cooperate with the valuation of the system more so than with the reliability
of the system. Hr. Hutmnacher responded that he would expect the same level of
cooperation.
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Rosanne Dineen stated that one of the problems in Southeast Evanston and the
Research Park has been voltage or constant voltage. She asked if a reliability
study would cover this. Mr. Hutmacher responded that one of the data inquiries
of Cam Ed should request voltage levels on substations and feeders. He added
that data concerning loading on feeders would be important to obtain as well.
Mr. Hutmacher stated that he would then attempt to estivate loads for five
years and project facilities for meeting the voltage requirements.
Within the context of the reliability study, Mr. Hutmacher recommended a
multi —phase approach that begins with gathering data and determining the
magnitude of problems to be addressed. A second phase would involve
recommending a system improvement program. He concluded that sending out an
RFP now without an understanding of available data might generate an expensive
response.
Norm Raedle asked if there were examples of consultants who were willing to
take their fees over time if insufficient funds are available in a given
budget year. Judith Aiello responded that the City had not done this before.
Ken Jacobs stated that Stanley Consultants had performed work completed in one
fiscal year and had been paid with funds from the following year.
Rosanne Dineen thanked Mr. Jacobs and Hutmacher for being generous with their
time in assisting the Task Force this evening. Ms. Dineeen called for a brief
recess before resuming discussion of the recommendations to be submitted to
City Council.
The Task Force next discussed whether to proceed with the power supply study
or to reverse the previously planned order of the municipalization studies and
proceed first with the reliability study and financial valuation of the
system. Ann Dienner stated that it is clear that the reliability study should
be conducted first. She added that it is clear that one cannot estimate the
value of the system until the reliability issue is addressed.
Norm Raedle commented that he supports completing the reliability study, the
financial valuation and the power supply study simultaneously. He added that a
firm may do ail three components on a speculative basis depending on the
project murk —up and staffing capacity. Mr. Raedle concluded by stating that
there was only nine months until the next budget would be approved. Ed Pabst
and Red Lauterbach each agreed that the reliability study should be conducted
first.
David Kraft concurred with Norm Raedle's suggestion that the creative
financing option be explored. He added that again the Task Force had been
placed in the position of putting the cart before the horse due to funding
restrictions and that these restrictions were artificial and had prevented the
required work from being completed.
Mr. Kraft recommended that a list be developed of information needed from Cora
Ed and that the City Council, instead of the Task Force, make a request of CON
Ed for this information.
Rosanne Dineen recommended that the City pursue reliability and financial
valuation now. She added that it is advantageous to attack one phase of the
municipalization process from every angle.
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combined with bridge funding from the MacArthur Foundation might enable all
areas of municipalization to be pursued simultaneously. She asked Dennis
Marino to comment on the possible receptivity of foundations to such a
proposal. Mr. Marino responded that given that the City had approved $100,000
in funding for the studies and had included an additional $300,000 in the
capital improvement plan. he doubted a foundation would be willing to provide
additional funding.
Nora Raedle questioned how the Task Force will answer the question of why it
is switching gears and reversing the priority steps it had recommended to City
Council last year. Rosanne Dineen responded that there are two reasons for
switching the order of the studies: there is too Ruch rate movement occurring
to finalize other aspects of the study and; the reliability and condition of
the distribution system has become more of an issue recently given the outages
in Southwest Evanston.
Ned l.auterbach commented that the reliability study will provide valuable
information even if the City does not pursue municipalization. He added that
if the City were to conduct the power supply study now, it would be out of
date within three years.
Members agreed to meet on March 12. 1993 at 8:00 A.H. and March 15. 1993 at
7:30 P.M. to discuss recommendations to City Council im more detail and to
review a draft memorandum.
David Kraft stated that he would like the City to sponsor or co-sponsor a
hearing on reliability during Earth Meek (April 18th). He added that testimony
presented during this meeting could be entered into the ICC reliability docket
discussion.
The meeting was adjourned at 10:15 P.H.
Dennis Marino
Economic Development Planner
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APPROVED
ENERGY ALTERNATIVES TASK FORCE
MEETING OF APRIL 1. 1993
MINUTES
Members Present: Ann Dienner, Ned Lauterbach, Charles Lippitz,
Ed Pabst, Nora Raedle
Members Absent: Rosanne Dineen. William Hartgering, David Kraft, Jan
Schakowsky, Jim Suhr
Presiding Official: Ned Lauterbach, Acting Chair
Staff Present: Dennis Marino
Guests Present: Richard Soderhol■ and Keith Thompson of R.W. Beck
SUMMARY OF ACTION
The meeting was called to order at 7:36 P.M. by Ned Lauterbach who served as
Chair in the absence of Jim Suhr and Rosanne Dineen. Mr. Lauterbach requested
that the Committee enter Executive Session to discuss pending litigation and
possible land acquisition. Ed Pabst moved to enter Executive Session. Ann
Dienner provided a second. All members present approved the notion on a roll
call vote.
At 8:38 P.M., the public meeting was reconvened. Ned Lauterbach acknowledged
the following communications which had been included in the packets for this
meeting: two Chicago Tribune articles, one addressing cogeneration in public
schools and another summarizing Co=wnwealth Edison's experience in executing
franchises; a copy of House Bill 434 Ascending the Public Utilities Act; a
summary, prepared by Commonwealth Edison, of Illinois Senate Bill 770 and; a
circular presenting resources for strategic planning for energy and the
environment.
Mr. Lauterbach asked Dennis Marino to summarize the dicussion which had
occurred during the March 22, 1993 Meeting of the Administration and Public
Monts Co=ittee. Mr. Marino stated that the Co=ittee had instructed staff to
draft an ordinance to create an Energy Co fission consistent with the Task
Force's.recndation. The receded work plan was held in Co=ittee for
additional discussion. The Committee also referred the recomendation to
establish an Energy Co=ission and the proposed work plan to the Environmental
Control Board for count.
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Additional issues raised concerned (1) the priority of tasks included in the
work plan after the completion of municipalization studies and (2) the
willingness of business respresentatives to serve on the Commission.
Mr. Marino reported that Rosanne Dineen had responded by stating that beyond
the municipalization studies, the Task Force had not assigned priority order
to the additional tasks. Ms. Dineen also responded that business and
professional representatives have been made aware of the Task Force's
recommendation to establish a Commission, but that no one had been asked to
make a commitment.
Dennis Marino requested one or more members to be present during the next
meeting of the Adminstration and Public Works Committee, since Ms. Dineen
would be unavailable. Charles Lippitz and Mors Raedle volunteered to represent
the Task Force.
At the request of Mr. Lauterbach, Dennis Marino summarized the outline of the
proposed Energy Commission which was intended to be a precursor to a draft
ordinance to be prepared by the Law Department. Members suggested several
changes in the language presented which staff agreed to transmit to the Law
Department.
Worm Raedle asked if the Task Force was permitted to meet outside the Civic
Center. Dennis Marino responded that all meetings are required to be in public
buildings such as City —owned recreational facilities or public schools. In
response to a question from Mr. Lauterbach, Dennis Marino stated that he would
check on requirements for special public notice if a meeting occurs outside
the Civic Center.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:13 P.M.
Oennis Marino
Economic Development Planner
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DRAFT - NOT APPROVED
ENERGY ALTERNATIVES TASK FORCE
MEETING OF MAY 13, 1993
MINUTES
Members Present: Ann Diener, Rosanne Dineen, William
Hartgering, David Kraft,
Charles Lippitz, Ed Pabst, Norm Raedle
Members Absent: Ned Lauterbach, Jan Schakowsky, Jim Suhr
Presiding Official: Rosanne Dineen, Acting Chair
Staff Present: Judith Aiello, Dennis Marino
Summary of Action:
The Meeting was called to order at 8:10 P.M. by Rosanne Dineen. The
Minutes of the Meeting of April 1, 1993 were approved as drafted by
unanimous vote.
Members discussed the approval by the City Council of the creation
of the Energy Commission. In response to questions from members,
Judith Aiello stated that applications for appointment to the
Commission are available from the City Clerk's Office. She added
that a notice will be published in the Evanston Review encouraging
all citizens to apply for available openings on all City Boards and
Commissions, including the Energy Commission.
Norm Raedle suggested that the Chair of the Task Force might want
to consider sounding out which of the current members of the Task
Force want to be considered for appointment to the Energy
Commission. He stated that this needed to be done independent of
the Mayor and the ZyAnston gym. In addition, he added, the group
might have certain names to suggest.
Ed Pabst stated that he would recommend that five members of the
Task Force be appointed to the Energy comumission.�M$. Dineen polled
members present to ascertain their interest in possibly serving on
the Energy Commission. David Kraft stated that he would like to
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serve on the Commission. Charles Lippitz, Ann Dienner, Ed Pabst and
Norm Raedle each stated that they would not like to serve on the
Energy Commission. When asked by Ms. Dineen, Bill Hartgering stated
that he needed more time to consider his response. Rosanne Dineen
also expressed an interest in possibly serving on the commission.
Norm Raedle suggested that each of the members who do not want to
serve should propose a new person to be considered for appointment
to the Commission. Individual members suggested several names for
consideration: Bud Nesvig, Ray O'Leary, David Grumman, David
Ramsay, Mort Denlow.
Charles Lippitz moved, that to the extent possible, that five
members of the Commission should be members of the Task Force. Ann
Dienner provided a second. Members voted unanimously in favor of
this motion.
Members next discussed the need for a technical advisory person.
They agreed that a letter should be sent to Northwestern University
requesting pro bono assistance from the Engineering Department.
Members next reviewed the revised draft of the proposed work plan
for the Energy Commission and no additions or changes were
proposed.
Norm Raedle stated that he had objected to staff recommending that
additional staffing be considered for meeting the needs of the
Energy Commission. Mr. Raedle added that before raising this issue
with the Administration and Public Works Committee, staff should
have consulted with the Task Force. Judith Aiello stated that staff
had not recommended this for approval by A & PW, but that it had
been reported as a perceived need at the time when the Committee
was considering creation of the Commission so that the Committee
was aware that this was a possible recommendation in the future
which would involve an additional expenditure. Ms. Aiello added
that the staff and the Task Force had discussed the need for more
in house electrical engineering experience when the additional
studies of possible municipalization are pursued. Rosanne Dineen
commented that the need for more expertise in general had been
discussed previously by the Task Force.
Ed Pabst stated that perhaps the approach to Northwestern
University would address this need. He added that if additional
staff is to be hired, he does not want the funds to be drawn from
the budget for ongoing municipalization studies.
Members next discussed the linkage between the Environmental
Control Board and the Energy Commission. It was agreed that the
transition process from the Task Force to the Energy Commission
should include appropriate steps to insure that the issue of energy
conservation is cooperatively addressed by both groups.
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The responsiveness of Commonwealth Edison to ongoing requests by
the City for information about the nature and condition of the
electrical distribution system within Evanston was addressed by
several members and Eunice Collins of Commonwealth Edison, who was
present in the audience. Bill Hartgering stated that he was tired
of Com Ed's continuous unresponsive answers to critical information
requests which ranged from "the information is not available in the
form requested" to other non -responsive answers. He questioned how
Com Ed expects the City to sign a franchise agreement when Com Ed
does not cooperate in this basic area.
Eunice Collins responded that the request for information is not a
current issue and that if the Task Force desires it to be current,
then it should make it a current issue. She added, however, that
provision of the information involves an extraordinary cost to Com
Ed and the City should be prepared to cover this cost.
David Kraft proposed securing this information through the Illinois
Commerce Commission via the electrical reliability docket under
consideration if Com Ed is not willing to provide the information
directly to the City. David Kraft initially proposed a motion to
secure this information via the ICC, but withdrew the motion
pending Com Ed's response before the next Task Force Meeting.
Eunice Collins stated that a focus on the reliability issue instead
of the valuation issue may generate a different response from Com
Ed.
Charles Lippitz proposed that the Negotiating Team be apprised of _
this discussion and that it be encouraged to pursue disclosure of
appropriate information. i
David Kraft reported on the Reliability Forum sponsored by the
Nuclear Energy Information Service as part of Earth Week. He
stated that eight people showed up and discussed outage problems.
Mr. Kraft distributed a post card information form which can be
used by citizens to report outages. He also proposed that the City
consider co -sponsoring a meeting with NEIS on the subject this
summer.
Norm Raedle reiterated his desire to cause the Task Force to meet
in different neighborhoods of the City and for citizens to be
encouraged to attend and comment about electric service. He asked
that the Energy Commission strongly consider doing this based upon
the report from City staff that this was possible, provided that
the meetings occur in public space accessible to all citizens.
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David Kraft commented upon legislative initiatives in Springfield,
focusing upon Com Ed's effort to establish a subsidiary that will
specialize in co -generation and other specialized services. He
stated that he was concerned that this vehicle might provide an
opportunity for Com Ed to skim the best candidates for co-
generation off the rate base, leaving less profitable small users
to be served by a potential municipal operation. Mr. Kraft
recommended that adequate oversight needs to be built into this
operation and that the City should seek to influence the process
through its legislative representative.
Bill Hartgering stated that he hoped the Negotiating Team is aware
of this development and is examining the implications of the
proposed legislation. Eunice Collins responded that there is no
connection between the franchise and the subsidiary issue and co-
generation. She added that the proposed legislation provides Com Ed
with another entity to help customers choose among the technologies
available.
Rosanne Dineen acknowledged a recent newspaper article which
discussed Northwestern University's ongoing efforts to consider
cogeneration. She stated that she had received information that
this was not going to occur. Ms. Dineen asked that the City
establish a liaison on this subject with the University.
Charles Lippitz asked how the Energy Commission would communicate
with the Negotiating Team. He stated that the communication between
the Commission and the Team needed to be more substantial than it
has been between the Task Force and the Negotiating Team. Bill
Hartgering moved that the Task Force recommend that the Chair of
the Energy Commission become an ex officio member of the
Negotiating Team. Charles Lippitz provided a second. The motion was
approved by all members present except Rosanne Dineen who
abstained. Ms. Dineen stated that she wanted to consider this issue
more carefully, commenting that there is some value in the
existence of a wall between the two bodies, but yet there is value
in considering reasonable theoretical options in the context of
negotiations.
Bill Hartgering moved to enter Executive Session at 9:58 P.M. to
discuss pending litigation. Ed Pabst provided a second. Members
agreed to reconvene after a ten minute recess. The Public Meeting
was reconvened at 10:34 P.M. and adjourned at 10:35 P.H.
Dennis Marino
Economic Development Planner